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[12:07] -!- whaletechno [~whaletech@unaffiliated/whaletechno] has quit (Quit: ha det bra) [12:27] -!- favonia [~favonia@pdpc/supporter/student/favonia] has quit (Read error: Connection reset by peer) [13:40] -!- owst [~owst@tarsier.ecs.soton.ac.uk] has joined #darcs [13:40] -!- owst [~owst@tarsier.ecs.soton.ac.uk] has quit (Client Quit) [13:40] -!- owst [~owst@tarsier.ecs.soton.ac.uk] has joined #darcs [13:41] does anyone understand the logic in cacheLoc in Darcs.Repository.Cache.copyFileUsingCache - when it finds a file in the cache it apparently throws an exception (!) [13:41] Heffalump: definitely sounds sane. [13:42] you touched it last, but I think it was just tidying :-) [13:42] Probably. I don't recall doing anything interesting to it [13:43] `darcs annotate --ignore '*tidy*|*clean*'` :-) [13:43] Or something [13:44] does that work? [13:45] No that was a wish [13:45] sorry [13:45] ah :-) [13:45] good idea though... [13:46] Yeah, it would be nice. Might be tricky to get right w.r.t. ignored patches that add/remove lines [13:47] the whole of copyFileUsingCache looks very strange [13:47] sfuc seems to do things to caches that aren't writeable :-s [13:47] It all looks a bit wrong to me :-) [13:49] darcs get on my laptop is incredibly slow, and it seems all the time is being spent in there throwing exceptions or smoething [14:09] -!- raichoo_ [~raichoo@212.100.42.206.fixip.bitel.net] has joined #darcs [14:10] -!- raichoo [~raichoo@b2b-5-10-182-138.unitymedia.biz] has quit (Ping timeout: 256 seconds) [14:13] -!- gh_ [~gh_@186.153.249.58] has joined #darcs [14:28] -!- uniquenick [~uniquenic@CPE000024ce7a51-CM78cd8e7dbf05.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com] has joined #darcs [14:31] -!- mizu_no_oto [~textual@c-76-24-19-222.hsd1.ma.comcast.net] has joined #darcs [14:39] -!- gh_ [~gh_@186.153.249.58] has quit (Ping timeout: 245 seconds) [14:45] -!- mizu_no_oto [~textual@c-76-24-19-222.hsd1.ma.comcast.net] has quit (Quit: Computer has gone to sleep.) [14:53] -!- favonia [~favonia@pdpc/supporter/student/favonia] has joined #darcs [15:01] -!- raichoo_ [~raichoo@212.100.42.206.fixip.bitel.net] has quit (Ping timeout: 252 seconds) [15:03] -!- delamonpansie [~mon@195.218.191.180] has quit (Ping timeout: 240 seconds) [15:03] -!- raichoo [~raichoo@b2b-5-10-182-138.unitymedia.biz] has joined #darcs [15:08] -!- lelit [~lele@151.62.64.208] has quit (Remote host closed the connection) [15:19] -!- bsrk [~bsrk@14.139.122.114] has joined #darcs [15:19] -!- dolio [~dolio@c-174-63-84-118.hsd1.ma.comcast.net] has quit (Ping timeout: 245 seconds) [15:24] Hi, [15:24] I am thinking of applying for Gsoc, [15:24] and the project idea "enhance darcsden", [15:24] has caught my eye. [15:24] The project page offers these ideas: [15:24] >> local hub: enable darcsden to be run locally and easily [15:24] >> local and awareness of branches: track repository relationships [15:24] >> enable darcs send to upload a patch bundle via http to darcsden [15:25] The first two ideas are a little vague, so I wanted to ask, [15:25] What you would expect an implementation of these ideas will look like, [15:25] and what you would like from a project on enhancing darcsden [15:26] Btw, I have worked on using packs in darcsden recently, [15:26] and hopefully you people will be able to use it soon! [15:30] -!- raichoo [~raichoo@b2b-5-10-182-138.unitymedia.biz] has quit (Quit: leaving) [15:32] sm: ^ [15:37] -!- javier_rooster [~Thunderbi@190.246.156.67] has joined #darcs [15:39] bsrk: i think the first one might be about things like: move away from couch/redis to something not requiring a server, such as an sql lib that can use sqlite, or acid-state; make the config not hardcoded / part of the repo; in general make it possible to simply 'cabal install && darcsden' with little to zero setup [15:40] bsrk: you'll not from the readme it's currently a bit more involved than that: http://hub.darcs.net/simon/darcsden [15:40] What is the goal of this? [15:40] Igloo: which part? [15:40] Is it to make it easier for developers to work on darcsden, or easier for people to run their own darcsdens? [15:40] Of running darcsden locally [15:40] both I guess [15:40] I ask because a large part of the advantage of github, AIUI, is that there is only one [15:41] primarily the former i think [15:41] So making it easier to run your own may actually make things worse [15:41] there's a barrier to entry for contributing to darcsden currently IMO [15:42] bsrk: s/not/note [15:43] -!- edwardk [~edwardk@pdpc/supporter/professional/edwardk] has joined #darcs [15:45] Igloo: sort of agree, but i also think a distributed design could work (such as SSO, cross-host forking etc). but not what this is about i don't think [15:45] -!- mizu_no_oto [~textual@gw1.mcgraw-hill.com] has joined #darcs [15:45] Igloo: a lot of those benefits are about it being one system, not only about being "one host" [15:47] So, ideally it should be as simple at hg serve? [15:47] in our case, darcsden serve? [15:48] bsrk: not sure that's the intended usage, but it should be similarly easy yes [15:48] -!- javier_rooster [~Thunderbi@190.246.156.67] has quit (Quit: javier_rooster) [15:48] you might be right that's the intention though, duno, but i think darcsden has a lot of assumptions about being multi-user, multi-repo [15:51] donri: so, making darcsden more like an application than a server? [15:51] something like that [15:52] but, just my interpretation [15:52] Why is this useful? :-) [15:52] Or, put in another way, [15:52] what more features should darcsden have, [15:52] to make it useful? [15:53] -!- whaletechno [~whaletech@unaffiliated/whaletechno] has joined #darcs [15:53] (if, that is, there is some usefulness for local darcsden) [15:55] bsrk: useful for lowering the barrier to entry for contribution. not sure if it'll result in enough contributions to outweigh the gsoc time spent on it or not, but anyway [15:57] bsrk: other ideas that could be worked at in a gsoc could be take from http://hub.darcs.net/simon/darcsden/issues [15:58] bsrk: also perhaps implementing a github login (common complaint from githubbers is "don't want to register with yet another site") [16:00] donri: That does broaden the possible things to do! [16:00] I will also keep cross-host forking in mind. [16:00] i wasn't necessarily suggesting working on cross-host forking [16:00] might be interesting areas to explore in the longer run, but other things are more important now i think [16:01] What would make cross-host forking complicated? [16:01] It could be simple, if by fork, we just mean get. :-) [16:01] yeah it might not be that complicated, but every little feature takes work ;) [16:02] and then you have to figure out an UI for the new distributed nature ... [16:02] -!- raichoo [~raichoo@e182221028.adsl.alicedsl.de] has joined #darcs [16:04] Ah. So, let us simplify to giving an option to "import" a public repository. [16:04] (And, yeah there could be more useful things to do) [16:05] So, in your opinion, what could be useful enhancements to darcsden? [16:05] ah yeah, that could work easily. i think patch-tag supports that ... [16:07] bsrk: another thing that could be killer but needs darcs-bridge to be completed, is transparent git support. every darcs repo is also a git repo. [16:08] so if a contributor prefers git they can use it, and if you prefer darcs but want your project on github you can simply do git mirroring [16:13] bsrk: if the aim is to add features, look at the wish tag: http://hub.darcs.net/simon/darcsden/issues/tag/wish [16:14] Yeah, I am looking at them. :-) [16:17] donri: I'd tentatively say that it is probably better [16:17] to make many small-medium changes, [16:17] over a killer like darcs bridge. [16:18] (Unless we can come up with a killer that we can be reasonably sure of succeeding) [16:19] bsrk: if darcs-bridge completes it wouldn't be a big change to darcsden to support it i don't think. basically just run "darcs-bridge sync" on push, plus some UI (maybe an option to disable it, and add a notice that you can git clone and push) [16:19] donri: that's true [16:20] but for a gsoc it's best to have clear, achievable goals that don't have external dependencies [16:21] -!- gh_ [~gh_@russell.famaf.unc.edu.ar] has joined #darcs [16:27] so, Marcio will finally not be able to apply for the GSoC ... [16:28] the good news is that anyone can pick up his application and the feedback it already received and submit it [16:28] gh_: see todays logs for gsoc chatter btw [16:28] oh are the logs back? [16:28] oh are they gone? [16:28] nope [16:28] .. [16:29] we should log the channel ourselves and put the logs on darcs.net [16:29] ok let me paste [16:29] donri, can you send them to me by mail or paste them somewhere? [16:30] gh_: https://pastee.org/fdv58 [16:31] gh_: oh forgot the last line but for a gsoc it's best to have clear, achievable goals that don't have external dependencies [16:32] ok, I've read the log [16:32] bsrk, one thing, that may be my personal interpretation of the situation, but I'd rather warn you now [16:33] bsrk, is that we will be part of the haskell.org organization this year. I suspect a 100% haskell project will seem more interesting to the haskell community. [16:34] bsrk, I'm saying this with regards to the idea of migrating darcsden from redis/couchdb to sqlite. [16:34] well, this is actually a haskell project :) [16:34] and this is donri's idea. ok nevermind :) [16:35] gh_: what *are* you saying, though? :) [16:37] donri, that it would be better that the project be a haskell project. [16:37] gh_: yes, but i'm not sure what you mean by that practically [16:37] donri, for instance on darcs.net/GSoC there is an idea of making RabbitVCS support darcs. RabbitVCS is written in python. That would be a darcs project, but written in python. [16:38] ah [16:38] -!- dolio [~dolio@gw1.mcgraw-hill.com] has joined #darcs [17:06] -!- edwardk [~edwardk@pdpc/supporter/professional/edwardk] has quit (Quit: Computer has gone to sleep.) [17:07] gh_: do you have any alternative students who might pick it up? [17:21] Heffalump, there are possible students that haven't confirmed anything yet, this afternoon I'm writing to them again. [17:24] Is it reasonable to apply for a darcs GSoC project with no prior experience with darcs? [17:26] mr-: Do you have experience with Haskell? If no darcs or Haskell experience I'd suggest it wasn't a good idea... [17:28] mr-, I think it's reasonable if you are willing to show us that you are capable of doing it. [17:28] owst: I do have experience with haskell. [17:30] mr-, for instance, we will feel more confident if you send us simple patch(es) (cleanup patches, probably-easy bugs) [17:31] mr-, when you say you have no prior experience, you mean as a developer or also as user? [17:31] * gh_ has to go out for a while [17:31] gh_: both, actually [17:32] -!- alexei [~amgarchin@theo1.theochem.tu-muenchen.de] has quit (Ping timeout: 248 seconds) [17:36] mr-: do you have a project in mind? [17:40] owst: I have been looking at optimize --reorder. It does look interesting, I am a little worried about my prerequisites and about deliverables. [17:40] mr-: got a link I can take a peek at on the wiki? [17:42] http://darcs.net/GSoC#optimize-optimize---reorder-and-other-patch-reordering-issues [17:43] I'd heed the warning, that sounds pretty hardcore - especially so if you have no experience with darcs! But if you're up for a challenge... 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I was just wondering if prior experience would actually help with that proposal ;-) [18:26] -!- alexei [~amgarchin@p4FD6351B.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #darcs [18:29] -!- edwardk [~edwardk@pdpc/supporter/professional/edwardk] has joined #darcs [18:31] -!- favonia [~favonia@pdpc/supporter/student/favonia] has quit (Read error: Operation timed out) [18:34] http://pastebin.dqd.cz/pSBK/ :\ [18:34] pending seems to be allright though [18:35] :-( [19:11] -!- owst [~owst@tarsier.ecs.soton.ac.uk] has quit (Quit: WeeChat 0.4.0) [19:12] -!- owst [~owst@tarsier.ecs.soton.ac.uk] has joined #darcs [19:18] -!- Igloo_ [~igloo@210.99.2.81.in-addr.arpa] has joined #darcs [19:20] -!- Igloo [~igloo@81.2.99.210] has quit (Ping timeout: 268 seconds) [19:26] -!- owst [~owst@tarsier.ecs.soton.ac.uk] has quit (Read error: Operation timed out) [19:48] -!- alexei [~amgarchin@p4FD6351B.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has quit (Ping timeout: 264 seconds) [19:48] -!- mizu_no_oto [~textual@gw1.mcgraw-hill.com] has joined #darcs [19:57] -!- favonia [~favonia@pdpc/supporter/student/favonia] has joined #darcs [20:08] -!- alexei [~amgarchin@p4FD6351B.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #darcs [20:24] -!- edwardk [~edwardk@pdpc/supporter/professional/edwardk] has quit (Ping timeout: 240 seconds) [20:26] -!- edwardk [~edwardk@pdpc/supporter/professional/edwardk] has joined #darcs [20:43] -!- edwardk [~edwardk@pdpc/supporter/professional/edwardk] has quit (Read error: Connection reset by peer) [20:48] -!- edwardk [~edwardk@pdpc/supporter/professional/edwardk] has joined #darcs [21:20] -!- jcast [~jcast@71-86-119-66.dhcp.ftwo.tx.charter.com] has joined #darcs [21:20] -!- carter [~textual@rrcs-50-74-58-122.nyc.biz.rr.com] has joined #darcs [21:34] -!- jochu [~jochu@unaffiliated/jochu] has joined #darcs [21:35] -!- jcast [~jcast@71-86-119-66.dhcp.ftwo.tx.charter.com] has quit (Quit: using sirc version 2.211) [21:43] -!- edwardk [~edwardk@pdpc/supporter/professional/edwardk] has quit (Ping timeout: 245 seconds) [21:48] -!- mizu_no_oto [~textual@gw1.mcgraw-hill.com] has quit (Quit: ["Textual IRC Client: www.textualapp.com"]) [21:52] -!- favonia [~favonia@pdpc/supporter/student/favonia] has quit (Ping timeout: 264 seconds) [22:18] -!- edwardk [~edwardk@pdpc/supporter/professional/edwardk] has joined #darcs [22:21] -!- uniquenick [~uniquenic@CPE000024ce7a51-CM78cd8e7dbf05.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com] has quit (Ping timeout: 255 seconds) [22:49] -!- gh_ [~gh_@russell.famaf.unc.edu.ar] has quit (Quit: Saliendo) [23:00] -!- dolio [~dolio@gw1.mcgraw-hill.com] has quit (Ping timeout: 256 seconds) [23:04] -!- edwardk [~edwardk@pdpc/supporter/professional/edwardk] has quit (Quit: Computer has gone to sleep.) 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[10:39] -!- mizu_no_oto [~textual@c-76-24-19-222.hsd1.ma.comcast.net] has joined #darcs [10:44] -!- alexei [~amgarchin@p4FD62F53.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #darcs [10:50] -!- alexei [~amgarchin@p4FD62F53.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has quit (Ping timeout: 246 seconds) [10:57] -!- barbapapa [~barbapapa@ip-77-24-29-28.web.vodafone.de] has quit (Remote host closed the connection) [11:37] -!- intripoon_ [~quassel@manz-590f0332.pool.mediaWays.net] has quit (Quit: No Ping reply in 180 seconds.) [11:37] -!- intripoon [~quassel@manz-590f0332.pool.mediaWays.net] has joined #darcs [11:59] -!- mizu_no_oto [~textual@c-76-24-19-222.hsd1.ma.comcast.net] has quit (Quit: Computer has gone to sleep.) [12:52] -!- bsrk [~bsrk@14.139.122.114] has joined #darcs [12:53] hi bsrk [12:53] hi [12:53] sorry I haven't got to reviewing your PI stuff yet, bit flat out with other things [12:53] it's okay, there is no hurry [12:54] hi bsrk, all [12:54] are you still thinking of the darcsden SoC project? [12:54] yes [12:54] I have just started writing up the proposal [12:54] http://darcs.net/GSoC/2013-Darcsden [12:55] excellent [12:55] but, I have not actually figured out what to do yet. ;) [12:55] except a few generic ideas [12:55] like those in darcsden wish list [12:56] I think one area to focus on is our desire to use darcsden as a local repository UI [12:56] ah [12:56] so hav a mode of operation that's mainly about a single repository [12:56] -!- alexsuraci [~alexsurac@li175-235.members.linode.com] has quit (Ping timeout: 272 seconds) [12:56] something like hg serve? [12:56] (this is my view, not necessarily shared by everyone - but we did agree the goal of having a web-based local UI at the Southampton sprint) [12:57] yeah, kind of [12:57] perhhaps without the remote access aspects [12:58] Okay. [12:58] -!- alexsuraci [~alexsurac@li175-235.members.linode.com] has joined #darcs [12:58] We will be able to use it for: [12:59] 1) browsing files/patches [12:59] 2) List of changes [12:59] How will other things work [12:59] ? [12:59] my (perhaps personal) vision would include supporting repository manipulations and the like [12:59] Okay [12:59] so e.g. more visual record [13:00] -!- mizu_no_oto [~textual@c-76-24-19-222.hsd1.ma.comcast.net] has joined #darcs [13:00] I see. This could potentially be also useful for darcsden as a hosting platform. [13:01] right [13:01] some things only make sense with a local urnecorded state, some things are more general [13:01] personally I feel improvements to the central hub can give most bang for the buck in growing darcs [13:03] sm: I think so too [13:03] But, if supporting local [13:03] so I like projects that include some visible impact there [13:04] does not need invasive changes [13:04] sm: yeah, that's a fair point [13:04] then local may be an okay idea, worth a try. [13:10] sm: what do you think about about idea 3, ie uploading patch bundle via http [13:10] perhaps for now just assemble a list of possible things to do and their dependencies on each other, then assembly that into a plan [13:10] bsrk: I personally think that's really important because of the move away from local email on PCs [13:10] Heffalump: that's a good idea [13:11] and I am glad you like idea 3 [13:11] because I have problems with ssh [13:11] due to firewall [13:11] Heffalump: does not ssh [13:12] anyway? [13:12] I'm confused about what you mean about ssh [13:12] upload via HTTP is an alternative to sending patches by email, as I understand it [13:12] we can send to darcsden repositories [13:12] and I think darcs send already supports it if you put a http url in the _darcs/prefs/email file [13:12] using ssh, [13:13] like darcs send aditya@hub.darcs.net:repo [13:13] and there is no local email used anywhere [13:13] don't you mean darcs push? [13:14] heffalump: yes, sorry [13:14] ko, so I think there are towo aspects to darcsden http support [13:14] (1) unauthenticated patch submission via darcs send and http [13:14] (2) authenticated darcs push via http [13:15] both are valuable but I see (1) as more important [13:16] yes, I feel (1) is more useful too [13:16] because it does not assume much from the local end [13:16] and what is the (practical) difference between (2) and ssh? [13:17] I thought you said ssh doesn't work well for you? [13:17] yes [13:18] bsrk: 3 as I understand it sounds nice, but not like an essential killer feature that other vcs's have and we don't [13:19] git(hub) gets by will fork and pull eh ? [13:19] with [13:19] I have to shift location [13:20] I will log back in 10 minutes? [13:20] o/ [13:20] -!- bsrk [~bsrk@14.139.122.114] has quit (Read error: Connection reset by peer) [13:28] -!- bsrk [~bsrk@14.139.122.114] has joined #darcs [13:29] hi [13:39] -!- favonia [~favonia@pdpc/supporter/student/favonia] has joined #darcs [13:47] -!- mizu_no_oto [~textual@c-76-24-19-222.hsd1.ma.comcast.net] has quit (Quit: Computer has gone to sleep.) [14:00] shall we continue? :-) [14:02] We were discussing possible things to do, [14:02] for a gsoc project on darcsden [14:05] One idea that I like, [14:05] is file record/changes/annotate [14:06] file record, will let you make some changes to a file, [14:06] and you could commit the change into the repository. [14:06] changes on files will give you the last few changes made [14:06] and annotate on files will annotate [14:07] bsrk, don't we have this feature ? [14:07] sm: do we? [14:08] where? [14:08] darcs record|changes|annotate FILE ? [14:08] in darcsden, I mean [14:08] I know you mean something else, but I'm not sure what yet [14:08] oh I see [14:09] what is file record in darcsden context.. being able to edit files through the web ? [14:09] I mean this: https://github.com/features/hosting [14:09] look at edit online [14:10] sm: yeah, that is basically it [14:10] it would be great to have those [14:11] editing through the web fits well with darcs core strength, ease of use [14:11] it's something I like about github [14:12] sm: I am glad you like it! [14:15] web editing is especially good for quick/casual edits to web sites [14:16] a related project is serving sites from darcs hub, eg using hakyll (like github's jekyll) [14:17] brb [14:18] What is to be done from darcs hub side? [14:18] (btw, should we call it darcsden or darcs hub) [14:21] bsrk: the central site/service is darcs hub; it uses the darcsden software which can also be deployed locally [14:22] I try to follow that naming, though it requires a bit of attention [14:22] So, we should call it a darcsden project? [14:25] also though darcs hub currently uses close to vanilla darcsden software, that may not always be possible [14:25] hub could perhaps evolve more easily without that constraint [14:26] I see [14:26] if the central service and local tool code bases diverged, I mean. But better to avoid that as long as possible eh [14:27] -!- mizu_no_oto [~textual@gw1.mcgraw-hill.com] has joined #darcs [14:29] sm: Going back to the idea of serving websites, [14:29] what should be done? [14:29] I am not sure if I understood what is being accomplished [14:30] I understand what hakyll does, [14:30] but what should darcsden do? [14:31] bsrk: this feature makes most sense in context of darcs hub. People considering hosting their code there, would also like to easily serve a static site from there. Like github's pages. [14:32] it's not very exciting technically, or even darcs related - except indirectly, to make darcs hub and therefore darcs more attractive [14:32] got to get a little exercise bsrk, I'll be back. Parting thought - what's the project that you personally would find most useful for your day to day work ? And what's the project you personally think would grow darcs the most ? [14:35] -!- uniquenick [~uniquenic@CPE000024ce7a51-CM78cd8e7dbf05.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com] has joined #darcs [14:46] -!- bsrk [~bsrk@14.139.122.114] has left #darcs () [14:55] -!- kowey [~Instantbi@2.28.144.234] has joined #darcs [14:55] have become fearful of my mouthing off these days, but this wasn't harmful :-) http://www.reddit.com/r/haskell/comments/1dfe3r/darcs_projects_for_gsoc_2013/c9qa8ka [14:56] starting to bring back kowey-time-Wednesdays [14:56] may start to (very cautiously) let a bit more darcs into my life [14:56] but no promises [14:56] *but *hope* this wasn't harmful [14:57] wasn't asserting non-harm, just hoping for it [14:57] it looks fine kowey. Good to see you! [14:57] (phew) [14:58] * owst is marking 1st year java assigments, so most things other than java look good to me right now :-p [14:58] haha [14:58] oh dear [14:58] will they let you teach java 8 type stuff one day? [15:00] Well the lab machines still don't have 7, so who knows :-) [15:00] * owst plans to infect their minds with Haskell next semester though, muhaha [15:00] ooooh yes [15:00] guessing this sort of thing will have to be generational [15:00] resistance gradually falling by increasing exposure over the years [15:01] till people think nothing of it [15:01] Yeah, there's a curriculum reshulf going on, and my supervisors have a "programming languages"-type module, the perfect opportunity :-) [15:01] reshuffle* [15:01] :-) [15:01] not sure what happened there [15:02] * kowey wanders off for a bit more of his first truly-free (no admin!) wednesday [15:04] kowey: Don't you have to fill in a form for UK taxes too? [15:04] at this time of year? [15:04] gulp [15:04] Well, some time between about a month ago and next January (probably) [15:05] I think/hope accountant has handle on that [15:05] although should check on that [15:05] sigh [15:05] thanks for the reminder [15:05] and there's French taxes too [15:06] **eek**, beginning of may [15:06] Why do the french think you owe them taxes? [15:06] I'm working half-time in Toulouse [15:06] Ah [15:06] maybe not for me, since I started in Feb [15:07] ♫ Born Toulouse, and now I'm losing you ♫ [15:07] :-) [15:08] si vous résidez à l'étranger, 17 juin 2013, which means I get to pretend to be free today [15:08] sigh [15:09] oh well, at least it's relatively civilised compared to tax forms for US expats [15:12] -!- dolio [~dolio@c-174-63-84-118.hsd1.ma.comcast.net] has quit (Ping timeout: 245 seconds) [15:18] -!- kowey [~Instantbi@2.28.144.234] has quit (Ping timeout: 256 seconds) [15:35] -!- aditya [~bsrk@14.139.122.114] has joined #darcs [15:35] -!- aditya [~bsrk@14.139.122.114] has left #darcs () [15:36] -!- bsrkaditya [~bsrk@14.139.122.114] has joined #darcs [15:43] hi, [15:43] I wonder if someone [15:43] could give me a better idea [15:43] on what "local and awareness of branches: track repository relationships" [15:43] means. (It's taken from the gsoc idea page) [15:44] in enhance darcsden section [15:44] bsrkaditya: darcs doesn't have a nice way of showing the relationship between two branches [15:45] for instance, A is a superset of B [15:45] or there are patches that are unique to both sides [15:45] A is a clone of B, with these extra patches, etc. [15:47] -!- edwardk [~edwardk@pdpc/supporter/professional/edwardk] has joined #darcs [15:48] I see. Thanks owst! 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[18:18] -!- edwardk [~edwardk@pdpc/supporter/professional/edwardk] has joined #darcs [18:19] -!- jcast [~jcast@71-86-119-66.dhcp.ftwo.tx.charter.com] has joined #darcs [18:24] -!- favonia [~favonia@pdpc/supporter/student/favonia] has joined #darcs [18:24] -!- bsrkaditya [~bsrk@14.139.122.114] has quit (Read error: Connection reset by peer) [18:30] -!- owst [~owst@78-86-250-236.zone2.bethere.co.uk] has joined #darcs [18:31] Anyone know who a contact for irclog.perlgeek.de is? It's been down for a couple o' days... [18:31] -!- favonia [~favonia@pdpc/supporter/student/favonia] has quit (Ping timeout: 264 seconds) [18:37] -!- mizu_no_oto [~textual@gw1.mcgraw-hill.com] has quit (Quit: ["Textual IRC Client: www.textualapp.com"]) [18:37] "logs temporarily down due to hardware failure; will be restored in a few days"