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Tim Minear: S2 Questions And Answers

21/5/01 - Niall: How long has the Host's role in the trip to Pylea been planned? Was he always going to be there, or was he written in when it was obvious how popular he'd become?
TM: From early in the story conception of the Pylea arc. We knew we wanted The Host along for the ride whatever the tale, but once we hit upon the idea (and when I say "we," I mean Joss) of the dimension in which the gang plays out their season long psycho dramas as being the Host's home dimension, it all sort of fell into place.
21/5/01 - Niall: Why did you go for a medieval-fantasy dimension, as opposed to, say, a technological-fantasy dimension? Was giving it the feel and look of so much cliched sword-and-sorcery deliberate?
TM: Wanted to do this as a fairy tale. And the "no moral ambiguity" thing seemed logcially to play out in that kind of storybook setting. Also, cheaper.
21/5/01 - Niall: Is the language in the book used to open the portals the language of Pylea?
TM: No. Answers to follow in episode 22.
29/5/01 - Helen: Who has the ultimate say in production issues?
TM: "Production issues" is a rather wide-ranging subject. But Joss has ultimate say. But, for example, on my last episode, "Through The Looking Glass," We had planned for the Grossalugg to be gold -- as in gold body paint. It looked horrible. So Joss requested silver. When the guy turned up on set (I was directing), I thought he looked as if he'd been under a frozen lake for a month. I called Joss and Greenie and told them I wanted to just make him Braveheart guy and lose the body paint. They instantly agreed, trusting me and not having to see it for themselves. I also have the latitude to re-write my stuff on set as I shoot without having to "check in." We all produce the show and Joss and David have come to trust me enough to let me stand or fall without constant supervision. The same can be said of the writing. For instance, (more spoilers here, but there's already a space, so there), when I was writing "Reprise," all we'd really discussed was that Angel would find a couple of guys sacrificng goats for W&H. There was no talk of the "by the numbers sacrifice kit," I was just trying to entertain myself as I was writing it. Also, at the end of act two, Angel was supposed to go to "ooga-booga expert guy" to learn of the ring and glove, etc. I took it upon myself to, er, reprise the character of Denver. Of course, any of these things could have been tumbs-downed by my betters. They weren't, that's all.
1/6/01 - Mattia: What do you think about the cutting of the 'Previously on..' segments for the Buffy Season 2 DVD release? OK, so that's not your puppy, but basically it boils down to whether or not you consider the 'Previously on..' segments to be part of the episodes or not, I guess. I mean, they're scored, on Angel you've even got different people doing the VOs, so...would you be annoyed at Fox leaving them out of, say, and Angel DVD boxed set release (please, Joss, let it be soon!)?
TM: We do cut those ourselves, and I do think they're important. I generally try to slip in important information without spoiling the episode. For instance, in "The Trial" I'm pretty sure I included footage from a Dru flashback -- but in context it appeared we were setting up Angel/Darla's relationship with the information, and that Dru was merely on the edge of the scenes. Of course, that was a way to present Dru for the final moment of the story but without giving away that she would play any part in the story.
12/6/01 - Niall: I've heard it said several times that 'Angel' episodes and 'Buffy' episodes are written so that if one is overly 'dark', the other is 'light'. 'The Body'/'Epiphany' is supposedly one example. How much truth is there to this, and if there is some truth to it, did it alter your writing of 'Epiphany' in any way (or was the type of episode it was going to be settled before you ever began to write it)?
TM: There is some truth to this. However, "Epiphany" was shaping up to take a turn toward the light on its own -- though Joss did mention that Buffy's mom's death would be the subject on Buffy the night Angel made his attempt to reconnect with his crew and Joss felt that was of the good. But I want to point out that the stunning reveal of Buffy's mother's death came the week before when our "Reprise" aired, which is possibly the most despair-filled ep of the season.
12/6/01 - Niall: If you could change any one thing about S2, would you?
TM: Yes!
12/6/01 - Niall: If you would, what would it be?
TM: The time I went on the internet and blabbed about what I thought were my failures... oh, wait... nevermind.
19/6/01 - Tafka: Tim, following Willow's appearance at the end of "TNPLG", and of course without giving away concrete plot ideas, what kind of resoultion could be shown for Buffy's "death" in Angel? Due to the network changes in the US, Angel's now being shown before Buffy - something which probably wasn't anticipated at the time of filiming these finales - and therefore will Joss make an executive decision to resolve the issue in Buffy before Angel or is it going to be seemingly left alone/brushed off due to the problems which may arise of the Angel cast appearing in Buffy/Buffy in Angel? [A bit vague, that :) Basically - how can you see it being resolved/Buffy before Angel or Angel before buffy? Etc]
TM: Without giving anything away -- at present it doesn't appear that we'll be able to do any actual "tonight, guest appearance by" type crossovers. But Angel will deal.
23/6/01 - Tafka: Seeming as we ended Series 2 with Willow already in LA, would you think that if Willow can't appear in Angel Series 3, Ep 1 and they dealt with her abscence through a simple, spoken, explanation it'd suffice?
TM: If you look back on each end/start season of Buffy, and also the now two seasons of Angel, you'll note that there's always a 3 month time gap between the end of a season and the start of the next. Unless Willow oddly decided to spend the summer with Angel, it shouldn't appear odd at all her absence.
27/6/01 - Mattia: The shooting script for 'Darla' has the following exchange...
ANGEL: I've been... thinking. That's all.
WESLEY: Thinking?
ANGEL: Yes. It helps me sometimes to think with my hands.
Wesley has picked up a nude drawing of Darla. Admires it.
WESLEY: And occasionally... just the one hand?
Mattia: ..part of which was cut, which is too bad because it's quite hilarious, although admittedly perhaps not too fitting in the context of the rest of the episode. I (actually, several of us. Strange things come up in this group's IRC channel..) was wondering if this stuff actually was shot, or if it was cut out pre-shooting? For some strange reason I feel the need to know.
TM: I did shoot this (along with the cut right after "the one hand" joke, which was Lindsey's plastic hand knocking on Darla's door.) When putting the episode together, I cut many things (I was about 7 minutes over time), and it seemed the best way to tell the story to soft cut from Angel looking at what he'd drawn to Darla sitting alone. So that was a choice.
27/6/01 - Mattia: Have you had episodes where you were forced to cut things that you really, really didn't want to cut, but basically HAD?

TM: Yes, yes and yes! "Are You Now..." was a full nine minutes over. Joss was loathe for me to cut a thing. But I actually didn't mind losing some of what I did. If you go to Rayne's shooting script site you can see how I did a slight restructure to trim for time. There were, I think, two Cordy/Wes scenes that went away. The gist was Cordelia was speculating that whatever Angel's dark secret from 50 years ago was must have had to do with a woman. Now, I also knew I needed Wes/Cor beats where they did fall, so I took (Shawn Ryan's suggestion) what was the last scene of act two between Cor and Wes and snipped it in half and put the first half where one of the cut Cor/Wes scenes went and used the second half of that scene as the end of act two. Is anyone following this?

Also there were a few couplets between the paranoid hotel residents I had to lose (there was a whole exchange about "Death Of A Salesman" at the top of the scene where the screenwriter is telling the actor about the "death of the candle salesman")

What I most hated cutting was a moment between Angel and the detective at the door of Angel's room where the detective leaned in, sniffed Angel and asked, "that your lilac perfume I'm smellin'? Didn't think so." It just felt so James Ellroy to me. I loved it. But I had to trim, cut, trim, trim, trim to get it to time.

Also the whole end of act one where we see the candle salesman put the gun to his head, then a shot of blood pooling out next to his limp hand with the gun, then back to Angel as he switched on his radio and drowned out what was happening next door with cool, cool jazz.

But, more often than not we're short instead of long. Example: the Wolfram and Hart scenes in 'Sanctuary" where L,L and L are hiring the bug assassin and the whole "the first assassin didn't assasinate anyone until the second assassin..." scene I wrote later to pad for time.

27/6/01 - Mattia: I haven't had the time to read through all the shooting scripts yet, but I've seen some mentions of cuts and edits to AYNOHYEB. Probably here, natalie posting some 'cut scenes' or something.
28/6/01 - Stephen: Plus Sky did some trimming for their broadcast: http://www.cuts.freeserve.co.uk/Angel/aynohyeb.html
TM: Bastards.
29/6/01 - Stephen: Can I quote you on my website please?
TM: Sure.

4/7/01 - Niall: It never hurts to ask, right? I'm taking that at face value. This is a very optimistic question, you see; he 'optimistic' part is that it's not really a question for you, it's a question for david greenwalt that I'm hoping you'll either already know the answer to, or not mind asking him. Long shot, I know. :-)

Anyway, the question: Is the use of a frame-job involving Darla in 'Dear Boy' a deliberate attempt to draw parallels (and highlight differences) with the 'Buffy' S1 episode 'Angel'?

TM: No.
28/7/01 - Niall: Wolfram and Hart wanted Angel gray. They were prepared to accept Lindsey and/or Lilah's deaths, at least, as acceptable losses to achieve this end. So - was Holland's magical mystery tour planned in advance for the time when Angel would assault W&H, or was it a last-minute arrangement to take advantage of Angel's actions?
TM: Well...
Niall: Hmmm. Actually, I can see why you might be reluctant to give a definitive answer to that one
TM: I am reluctant. However, I think it's fair to say that in my tiny mind, anyway, the Senior Partners may have had a kind of foreknowledge that Holland would not. Slippery enough for ya?
Niall: so here's a simpler one: How much time is meant to elapse between 'Redefinition' and 'Epiphany' (ie how long are the A-team on their own for)? I'm also assuming that the largest time-gap between episodes is between 'Happy Anniversary' and 'The Thin Dead Line'. Is that accurate?
TM: You think that's simpler? Hey, I was graduated from the Joss Whedon College Of Advanced Mathematics. Hellifknow.
2/8/01 - Harper: If you don't know this, no problem. But do you know who wrote The History of Angel on the WB website? Was it any of the writers?
No and no. Unless you count the fact that the details that are being culled were created by the writers, but the actual "History Of" on the website? Dunno.
11/10/01 - Niall: I think I remember reading somewhere that you directed all the China sequences - even the ones in 'Fool For Love'. Is that right?
TM: Well, no. I directed all of "Darla" and the exterior China sequences that overlapped in both episodes.
Niall: Also, who wrote the shared flashback scenes?
TM: Doug and I wrote those together.
21/10/01 - Andrew:

As a follow-up question - how much work went into making the two versions so subtly different (and how much direction did you need to give the cast)?

As I wrote at the time:

"The two versions of the China scene were truly brilliant! The differences between then - especially in DB's delivery - are minuscule; but the feel and meaning of the two scenes is quite different."

28/10/01 - TM: It's mostly about context and editing choices. In terms of context, we're coming out of a scene that's Spike's POV in FFL, and a different scene (Angel saving the family in the alley) in "Darla." We're planted in those characters' points of view before we get to the common moment. Also, in "Darla," I cut close to Darla looking somewhat suspicious which adds to the "Angel's not jealous, he's really uncomfortable" take on the scene. And I'm pretty sure we used different takes of Angel's reading of "Let's get out of here, this rebellion's starting to bore me." Which may be considered a cheat of sorts. In the version I used in "Darla," I recall the direction I gave David right before that take was "just say it as though what you're really saying is 'I gotta find some new friends.'"
Andrew:

Also how much input did you have in establishing the superb look of the cinematography in those scenes?

TM: I designed the shots. But all real credit for the look of those scenes, the exteriors, goes to Herb Davis, our DP the first two seasons.

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