Luke Ross - http://www.sys3175.co.uk/email I live in Oxford and eat out too much. I sign things with square brackets (eg. [LR]) just to be different. And because it's fewer characters than "-- LR" DS says I can edit here :-) _And he's right._ _Also, something's busted with the S__S__L certificate at www.sys3175.co.uk; it's expired, for a start, and it may also be wrong in some other way. My browser doesn't want to talk about it, so i can't be too precise._ Yes, it's expired and issued by me (ie. not a known CA). When I first made it, a technical cockup resulted in me creating one for one month and not one year, and eventually I'll swap it for a new one. Though still not a paid-for one. Both IE and Mozilla let you use it if you press Yes enough. FullNamesPlease! _After all, you're not called JRH, you're J. Random Hacker. Initials are a shorthand_ Hmmmm regarding full names, at work here DS is just called by his initials. We've trained him to respond to 'dws' :-) LukeRoss is there though, and I'll move everything around later. _Fair point! I suppose in hackerdom there is a long tradition of calling people by their initials - E__S__R, R__M__S, etc._ I go by my (lowercase) initials and it is very weird to have to uppercase them here in wikiworld--SDN CategoryWikizen